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clive_t True GnATTERbox Old Timer
 
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:59 am Post subject: |
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Very useful and informative article, Steve. I have been sufficiently motivated to actually purchasing some of these things from the website, so I will be referring back to this thread when they finally arrive.
Cheers, _________________ Clive
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michael Millegniumer Old Timer Author

  
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 6:05 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Steve I thing that I will give these a go in the not too distant Future. _________________ Regards Michael
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Rockley Bottom Millegniumer Old Timer Friend of Gn15.info Author

   
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:52 am Post subject: |
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Steve
Thanks for the article on the couplers.
Looking at trying it out , one question that comes to mind, is are your couplers fixed rigid, or do you attach them with some side play, to keep them in line on curved track?
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Gerry Bullock Millegniumer Old Timer Author Friend of Gn15.info
   
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:08 am Post subject: |
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| Rockley Bottom wrote: | Steve
Thanks for the article on the couplers.
Looking at trying it out , one question that comes to mind, is are your couplers fixed rigid, or do you attach them with some side play, to keep them in line on curved track?
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I can answer that Ralph - rigid. If you look at Steve's last picture you'll see two"ears" that project outside the loop. If these are bent back slightly towards the wagon/WHY they provide articulation in curves. _________________ So little time, so many ideas!!!!! GerryB.
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Rockley Bottom Millegniumer Old Timer Friend of Gn15.info Author

   
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:09 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Gerry, must give them a try. I may throw together a small board of track to give them a go
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clive_t True GnATTERbox Old Timer
 
Joined: 12 Jun 2007 Posts: 57 Location: Portsmouth, UK
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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My DG Couplings stuff arrived on Saturday, so I had the chance that evening to make one up according to the instructions on this thread: 5 minutes from beginning to end! Easy-peasy!
Fortunately I had some soft iron wire left over from my experiments with 'sprat-n-winkle' couplings, so I used that to make the loop. Seems to work with a small permanent magnet, but I need to make another one to see how the latching works. Hopefully I'll get to do that tonight. But so far, so good...
Thanks again Steve for a great article.
Cheers _________________ Clive
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Steve Bennett Multi-Millegniumer Old Timer Author Friend of Gn15.info

   
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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| clive_t wrote: | | My DG Couplings stuff arrived on Saturday, so I had the chance that evening to make one up according to the instructions on this thread: 5 minutes from beginning to end! Easy-peasy! |
That is great to hear Clive, you have now done the difficult part, making the first one the second is even easier and you wont need to bend up the loop, they really work best if you only have the loop at one end. Have fun . _________________ Steve Bennett
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NeilMac 'boxer Old Timer
 
Joined: 19 Nov 2007 Posts: 18 Location: North Yorkshire, England
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 8:07 am Post subject: |
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Steve,
Thanks for sharing this. As a user of DG couplers who has managed to have more than a few failures whilst attempting soldering I will certainly be giving this method a try.
One question I have is why soft wire for the loops rather than the steel wire supplied in the kit (of which I have already ordered extra for handrails). Is it that you have tried the supplied wire and found it not to work, or was it just because the soft wire was easier to bend and yet still strong enough to do the job? _________________ Neil
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Gerry Bullock Millegniumer Old Timer Author Friend of Gn15.info
   
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 8:47 am Post subject: |
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| NeilMac wrote: |
One question I have is why soft wire for the loops rather than the steel wire supplied in the kit (of which I have already ordered extra for handrails). Is it that you have tried the supplied wire and found it not to work, or was it just because the soft wire was easier to bend and yet still strong enough to do the job? |
My kits have both steel and brass wire Neil and without the solder process there certainly isn't enough of the steel to make both loop & dropper. Yes you're right the soft wire, to my opinion, is much easier to bend and subsequently adjust. Both brass and steel in kit seem to have a mind of their own  _________________ So little time, so many ideas!!!!! GerryB.
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clive_t True GnATTERbox Old Timer
 
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:03 am Post subject: |
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Well as promised I made up a second one last night (sans iron wire loop) - it would have been about 3 minutes but for some experimentation with trying to get a better curve on the latch.
In the end I found that having inserted the latch and splayed the 'legs' to keep it in place, I was then able to use the shank of a small screwdriver as a former, bending the latch over it to get the desired smooth curve. Worked a treat guv!
I was then able to try the latching with the two couplings I had. It works fine with a permanent magnet; if anything it works too well. It always uncouples when pushing the wagon over the magnet, even if you don't want it to. When pulling, it will almost always remain coupled (presumably because of the tension on the wire loop holding it against the hook).
At the risk of stealing Steve's thunder (I would never knowingly do that, honest!), my own answer to Mr NeilMac's question about soft/hard iron for the loops: yes it's easier to form, but from my college days I seem to remember one of the lecturers rambling on about hysteresis characteristics of various materials, meaning how easy was it to magnetise and how easy is it to demagnetise. Soft iron is very easy to magnetise, and does not retain the magnetism. Therefore only a small magnet is needed to attract it, and it will not stay magnetised. Ideal for couplings!
That's my theory anyway, I confidently expect to be shot down by someone more knowledgeable! _________________ Clive
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Steve Bennett Multi-Millegniumer Old Timer Author Friend of Gn15.info

   
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:40 am Post subject: |
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| NeilMac wrote: | | One question I have is why soft wire for the loops rather than the steel wire supplied in the kit (of which I have already ordered extra for handrails). Is it that you have tried the supplied wire and found it not to work, or was it just because the soft wire was easier to bend and yet still strong enough to do the job? |
You can use the hard wire supplied, it will work, but it is not easy to get it mounted on the coupler, there is too much spring in it, being the main problem. It is also not so easy to form to shape or adjust once fitted.
You may find you get on ok with it, worth a try, but I think you will be frustrated when trying to hold the loop open enough to thread the pivot part of the loop onto the coupler.
I hadnt thought about the magnetic differences between the hard and soft wires before, but Clive does raise a good point.
Mainly though, the soft wire is so much easier to work with. _________________ Steve Bennett
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Gerry Bullock Millegniumer Old Timer Author Friend of Gn15.info
   
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:57 am Post subject: |
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| Steve Bennett wrote: |
Mainly though, the soft wire is so much easier to work with. |
Yes and I can see it easier than the ultra thin wire in kit  _________________ So little time, so many ideas!!!!! GerryB.
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Steve Bennett Multi-Millegniumer Old Timer Author Friend of Gn15.info

   
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:58 am Post subject: |
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| clive_t wrote: | | I was then able to try the latching with the two couplings I had. It works fine with a permanent magnet; if anything it works too well. It always uncouples when pushing the wagon over the magnet, even if you don't want it to. When pulling, it will almost always remain coupled (presumably because of the tension on the wire loop holding it against the hook). |
Yes, it will always uncouple while pushing over the magnet, or when there is no tension in the coupling. While pulling, you are correct, there is enough tension to prevent uncoupling taking place.
If you need to control wether it uncouples or not while being pushed over a magnet, an Electro-magnet will be better than a permanent one, but I have never found this was needed, with thought given to the positioning of the magnets in relation to the operations you want to perform.
Interesting point you raise about the magnetic properties of hard and soft wires. Never thought about it before, but you are right . I'm sure that bit of info will come in useful oneday. . _________________ Steve Bennett
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NeilMac 'boxer Old Timer
 
Joined: 19 Nov 2007 Posts: 18 Location: North Yorkshire, England
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:57 am Post subject: |
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Last night I decided to try building a coupler using the steel wire as supplied in the coupler pack - as stated in my first post I had already ordered and extra pack of this wire to use for handrails. My couplers are 009/TT size.
I found that the stiff wire could be formed correctly. The trick seemed to be to create one single bend round the jig using finger pressure, which would then spring back to about half the bend, and then use fine square nosed pliers to force the bend back to 90 degrees. This process would then be repeated until all bends were a clean right angle - which is actually quicker to do than write about.
Fitting the loop to the etch was not to bad either - although a thought that I had after doing it was that it may have been even easier if done before bending the buffing plate so that the end part of the etch was still flat.
As for uncoupling - on a previous layout I had used the electromagnets from the same supplier as the couplers and these worked fine. For my current layout, as I need many more uncouplers so as not to limit operation, I am planning to try permanent magnets. What I hope to be able to do is have these hinged below the board such that the normal position is low enough that stock can run over them with uncoupling, but they can be easily raised by either twisting a rod or pulling a chord from the layout edge. Initial tests indicate that only small magnets are need to activate these couplers so this should hopefully not be too complex a thing to do.
Again, thanks for bringing this method to my attention - will save me considerable time getting couplers fitted to all my stock. _________________ Neil
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Steve Bennett Multi-Millegniumer Old Timer Author Friend of Gn15.info

   
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:45 am Post subject: |
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| NeilMac wrote: | | As for uncoupling - on a previous layout I had used the electromagnets from the same supplier as the couplers and these worked fine. For my current layout, as I need many more uncouplers so as not to limit operation, I am planning to try permanent magnets. What I hope to be able to do is have these hinged below the board such that the normal position is low enough that stock can run over them with uncoupling, but they can be easily raised by either twisting a rod or pulling a chord from the layout edge. Initial tests indicate that only small magnets are need to activate these couplers so this should hopefully not be too complex a thing to do. |
Another possible which I have used, is to have the magnet under the board, mounted on a slider, connected to a rod to the baseboard edge. When not needed, it is pulled/pushed to the side of the track so it doesnt effect the couplings. This will only work with fairly thin baseboard surfaces, no good with 2 inch thick foam of course .
For small magnets, I can recommend the ones from Meridian Models for their Greenwich Couplings range, about 5mm diameter, pretty powerful too. Less than a fiver for a pack of 10 if I remember rightly. You might find cheaper from the likes of Maplins, but I like to encourage support for the hobby trade . _________________ Steve Bennett
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