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Looking for prototype photos one gauge crossing another.

 
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 12:27 pm    Post subject: Looking for prototype photos one gauge crossing another. Reply with quote

Layout planning, two gauges (both narrow). The idea so far includes a narrow gauge mine/quarry/[other] layout (Gn15) and a larger (but still narrow) gauge line taking away a finished/processed product. Still sketchy on that!

What I would like is a crossing, between about 60 and 90 degrees. I'm intending to hand build it, and would like to see some prototypical examples before finalising the design of it. Has anyone got any photos, or links they can pass on to show something like this?

Thanks for any help you can give.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Justin,

a quick Google provided these...






http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3009/2601202346_16d2b931f3.jpg?v=0





http://www.railroadforums.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=40941&cat=751






Hope this Helps...
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a pic of one of the crossings at Perrygrove which is constucted from both rail and angle iron.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prof Klyzlr wrote:
Dear Justin,

a quick Google provided these...


For what did you Google? I find search criteria for images can often lead to the unexpected.

Thank you very much for the time taken to find these, I shall try Googling again, and refine my search criteria.

I especially like this one. Very clear.

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In all images posted both gauges appear to be of the same size rails. On my layout I intend one of the lines to be of much lighter rail than the heavy, larger gauge.

Perhaps the prototypical way of modeling this would be to have the lighter rail transition to heavier rail before the crossing, and then back after it to avoid the risk of damage by the heavier equipment. Any thoughts on this?

Thank you again for your reply.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

satori wrote:

In all images posted both gauges appear to be of the same size rails. On my layout I intend one of the lines to be of much lighter rail than the heavy, larger gauge.

Perhaps the prototypical way of modeling this would be to have the lighter rail transition to heavier rail before the crossing, and then back after it to avoid the risk of damage by the heavier equipment. Any thoughts on this?


I've just found this:


I like very much how this looks.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the bookshelf, 'cos it has this and many other useful pics, try:

Industrial Narrow Gauge stock and Trackwork, by Sidney Leleux.

From Plateway Press and only £8.95 as it is softback. Every industrial narrow gauger should have one Very Happy


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

satori wrote:

In all images posted both gauges appear to be of the same size rails. On my layout I intend one of the lines to be of much lighter rail than the heavy, larger gauge.

Perhaps the prototypical way of modeling this would be to have the lighter rail transition to heavier rail before the crossing, and then back after it to avoid the risk of damage by the heavier equipment. Any thoughts on this?



As far as I am aware, the crossing would have been built using the heavier of the two sections of rails used. This transition might have taken place within a couple of feet of the crossing, or twenty or so feet away depending upon the immediate surroundings.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Stockers, ING Stock & Trackwork has some wonderful examples.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

H Justin,
You could take the easy way out - drop in a drawbridge
Here's 2' gauge crossing the 3'6" gauge Queensland Railways mainline that has high speed tilt trains running on it. This has the advanatge that you are not interfering with the running rails and check rails are not needed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP6AGTaIQNs
and with a cane train on it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPJb9ssJuOA
and open sezme
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KbYYuKwADw&feature=related

A slow-mo point motor or 2 and......


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Justin,

as with any prototype, there's at least 3 different ways to peel a feline...

However, in broad-brush terms...

- where the "era" the crossing was built in = OLD,
and the "broadgauge" existed first,

then the "narrow gauge" way well have laid whatever (lighter) rail was available thru the crossing. Packing up under the lighter rail is not unknown, and can be emulated in prototype.

The BG wouldn't care, as long as the "light rails" didn't spring up and damage or derail their equipment during normal operations...

- where the "era" = MODERN
almost irrespective of "who was there first",

the crossing will probably be pre-assembled offsite,
using a single common weight of rail,
(IE probably matching the heavier of the 2 options presented by the railroads in question)

with the "lighter rail" railroad having to do "rail height matching" away from the crossing itself.

- where "era" = ????
and "NarrowGauge came first",

the Broadgauge would usually take(sieze?) responsibility for building the crossing to <their> track standards,
(bearing in mind their rollingstock and locos were probably heavier, moving faster, and thus required more critical/capable track specs),

would most probably use <their> (assumed heavier) rail to build both routes of the crossing,
and then force the NG to "rail height match" into the existing NG route some distance away from the crossing proper...
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris Stockdale wrote:
For the bookshelf, 'cos it has this and many other useful pics, try:

Industrial Narrow Gauge stock and Trackwork, by Sidney Leleux.

From Plateway Press and only £8.95 as it is softback. Every industrial narrow gauger should have one Very Happy


I will look out for it... or even add it to my Christmas list.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oztrainz wrote:
H Justin,
You could take the easy way out - drop in a drawbridge
Here's 2' gauge crossing the 3'6" gauge Queensland Railways mainline that has high speed tilt trains running on it. This has the advanatge that you are not interfering with the running rails and check rails are not needed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP6AGTaIQNs
and with a cane train on it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPJb9ssJuOA
and open sezme
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KbYYuKwADw&feature=related

A slow-mo point motor or 2 and......


Great stuff. I bet there aren't many of those around! Thanks for the link, but I don't think I'll try modelling it!
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